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Violent behavior

The assumption that PCP causes violent behavior was never accepted scientifically as truth, and evidence against this claim being published isn't something new.

In the first paragraph, it is said that "PCP may cause hallucinations, distorted perceptions of sounds, and violent behavior". This is contested by references that are already on this page, for example, the 26th reference, which is a review. "These findings plus the pre-1970 prospective evaluation of thousands of patients with PCP, in which violence was never reported, led us to conclude that clinical and forensic assumptions about PCP and violence are not warranted."

Most, if not all, claims that "PCP induces " or that "PCP induced violent behavior" have one or more of the following features:

Are published in the USA

The reviews of ED visits, that attributes PCP to be a cause of this type of behavior, are done in the USA, are most of the time reporting a patient that consumed a considerable amount of other drugs, does not provide any statistical data about how many of those cases actually involved aggressiveness and does not develop a proper statistical analysis of the cases to support the claim

Was used by a lawyer as a defense to a criminal act

PCP was claimed to be present and a cause, but not necessarily confirmed

The individual clearly had tendencies to elicit aggressive behavior, or has already participated in previous violent crimes or acts where PCP was not consumed

Was used by officers as an excuse to either not being able to capture a criminal (and also relying on the "superhuman" strength myth) or to justify the excessive use of force (the same problem with the controversial "excited delirium") ILoveKyoko (talk) 23:14, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Remove category Opioid?

"Studies on rats indicate that PCP interacts indirectly with opioid receptors" ← does not make it an opioid, does it? Karl Svartholm (talk) 08:28, 21 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Aus & NZ

If someone has time they could add aus and nz back in with the correct laws and citations. Or add a table showing legal status in various countries. 163.47.186.123 (talk) 03:25, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References/Violence narrative

I agree firmly with ILoveKyoto’s post 3 years ago. Before seeing the topic was broached I looked into the sources, and the standards are low. 4,7,8 all seem to be outdated at best and, in the case for 7 much worse. Surveys are not conclusive, and this metanalysis is not even reading, sith this based on good underlying data. Blaming well done.

Considering the history of this narrative in media and the inherently classist and racist undertones were seemingly added to make the news more entertaining and profitable and was used After a decade or two, the media reporting seems to have become a reality in some specific horrific cases (all of which seem to fail to include the past mental health issues involved and instead scapegoating pcp. In some cases pcp wasn’t even involved, similar to the “florida flaka zombie” media hoopla, and that perosn inly had marijuana un their system when doing something comparable or worse than lost pcp stories propagated in the media.

Considering how little research was done since 2010 and its priority being lower than most it makes sense but looking with what

also, with ketamine’s reputation fixed, you would think reevaluating pcp would make sense. For ket, the negative connotations were removed from the wiki and the general public continues growing more aware and acclimated to it being around. Stigma is still there, but ime, rarely outside of law enforcement occasionally,

idk why prople ever even consider this a possibility. Pcp does make you disoriented while not making you sleepy (like ket does anecdotally). If you think anecdotal evidence is needed maybe you consider the outcome and maybe make a compromise? Yall already lost so many people, especially after ww2 and Great Depression are conflated with seemingly random info which youw ould expect to be the opposite. They also make them became a more conservative generation. With consent surrounding the music, but not much kf value. “We will stay over and have fin, eat dinner and then really feel able start to playing after this 70.171.86.181 (talk) 10:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]